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Old 03-01-2018, 05:57 PM   #21
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Not human. I couldn't possibly get it through my head to ride on tires that looked like that. You sir, have my full respect.

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It's a risky reminder of variables for me. Keeps it interesting, hehehe.

Staying in the moment and out of auto pilot.



Have some 2-3 year old dunlop gpa pro take offs on right now, riding around in this 40 degree weather on the streets really keeps ya on the toes.
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Old 03-01-2018, 07:46 PM   #22
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This is a track comparison only - do you prefer Q3+ or S21? Or are they both similar? What kind of pace are you running?

I don't know how it happened but I managed to go a few years without touching the track and reality is setting in that I might not get as serious as I once was and I'm looking to save costs where I can. Having a hard time justifying the slicks/DOT's I'm used to for what's likely an occasional trackday now.

When the Q2's came out I tried them at a slow advanced pace before breaking traction -- I imagine they've only improved since then.
Haven't tried S21s. Have tracked Q3s for a few years. Last year I put Supercorsas on my street bike because I killed the old tires on my way down ACH and Pro Italia was the only shop I could ride to. I then cashed the Supercorsas in 1100 miles and got Q3+s. I can't tell the difference between Supercorsas and the Q3s despite the HUGE price difference. Maybe cold grip is better on the Supercorsas, but once warmed up, the Q3s grip great and last longer. This isn't track use, but spirited pace around Malibu. For what it's worth.

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Old 03-02-2018, 12:42 PM   #23
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I hear ya but realistically no two setups are alike between bike, rider, setup, conditions, inputs and feedback.

Geometry setup would make different profile tires feel different. Same could be said about sidewall stiffness and tire pressures and tire wear.

Just food for thought.

I don't mean not to review, do what makes you happy.

It wouldn't be the internet without all the opinions hehe.

You're overthinking this. These are hypersport tires not race rubber. I'm guessing most people in this market are like me, more emphasis on value than lap times. I'm also uming they're not setting up their bikes for each tire and simply looking to get a general idea of how it performs and how long it lasts for the few trackdays they can squeeze out a year.

I mean this in a playful, no offense way but I picture you going into a restaurant after everyone warns you their food gives you the runs but you insist your body geometry is different
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Old 03-02-2018, 01:32 PM   #24
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You're overthinking this. These are hypersport tires not race rubber. I'm guessing most people in this market are like me, more emphasis on value than lap times. I'm also uming they're not setting up their bikes for each tire and simply looking to get a general idea of how it performs and how long it lasts for the few trackdays they can squeeze out a year.

I mean this in a playful, no offense way but I picture you going into a restaurant after everyone warns you their food gives you the runs but you insist your body geometry is different
Not over thinking at all.

Just stating there are to many variables. Testing and learning.

If a product fails. That is where a record of that would be important.

I did give examples which were construed as "over thinking". Being aware of those variables is more important then a brand of tire, weather condition, or ride location because it what we ask of our equipment at any given time.

The value would be in good traction and even tire wear for any given situation and time.

No offense at all. I would realistically say it wasn't the food. It was the people that poorly stored it, prepped it, cooked it and served it. Every location, manager and kitchen is different just like our motorcycles, equipment and conditions.

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Old 03-02-2018, 02:14 PM   #25
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Haha, glad to have this banter while sitting at work. Hopefully my lotto ticket wins this weekend so I can spend less time chatting and more time riding
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Old 03-02-2018, 02:26 PM   #26
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Some better weather would give me the motivation to suit up and roll out.
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Some better weather would give me the motivation to suit up and roll out.
That's what she said....
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Old 03-02-2018, 07:35 PM   #28
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That's what she said....
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Suit up and slide in.
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Old 03-02-2018, 09:33 PM   #29
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I am one of the few who hate Q3s.
I don't like the stiff carcass and the way they ride as a result.
I really don't like the way they slip out with no real warning.
I haven't tried the plus version which supposedly has better grip, but I'm sure the carcass is just as unyielding.



I do like the pricing on the Dunlops, though...
I can't say I hated them but didn't care for them either, maybe a S1000R thing?

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S21s for the summertime.
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Old 03-02-2018, 11:21 PM   #30
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I hated them even more on my S1000RR.
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Old 03-03-2018, 07:54 AM   #31
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I've burned up several sets of Q3's. I would not ride them in cold weather - they take a long time to warm up and I've had the front push several times on my Ducati.

As a cheap track tire, the Q3's are fine once they warm up. Tire pressures though are startlingly low starting pressure - like 26 rear. Very heavy carcass construction and they don't turn particularly fast.

I'm just not a Bridgestone fan on my bikes, having crashed on them in the past. Granted, it's been a long time since then...
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Old 03-03-2018, 12:00 PM   #32
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I just picked up a set for $150 after mail in rebate.

I normally don't go for sport tires anymore since my bike eats the rear in less than 3k miles but for that price it was worth it.
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Old 03-03-2018, 01:24 PM   #34
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I just picked up a set for $150 after mail in rebate.

I normally don't go for sport tires anymore since my bike eats the rear in less than 3k miles but for that price it was worth it.
S21 or Q3/+ ?
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S21 or Q3/+ ?
My bad, Q3+. I used to run Qs but they don't last for when I commute during the week lol. Gonna try these it again as a summer tire when I'm doing more canyons.
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Old 03-03-2018, 01:57 PM   #36
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My bad, Q3+. I used to run Qs but they don't last for when I commute during the week lol. Gonna try these it again as a summer tire when I'm doing more canyons.
Where did you get them from as might give them a try at that price?
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Where did you get them from as might give them a try at that price?
A guy posted a deal through his rep at riders discount. You had to call in to get the deal. It was $200 for the set with a $50 mail in rebate.

If you have Facebook join trackday junkies as they're always posting deals there.

I felt the same way I still have a new rear road smart II waiting to be mounted but at this price I can afford to store them til I need em lol.

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Thanks for the info!
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I checked out Wheels in Motion and it'll be $240 for a set of S21's or about $280 installed.
I've been looking at the S21's or the Conti Sport Attack 3's because of their limit feedback. Any opinions on those tires?
Also, any recommendations for where I might be able to get better prices?
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:48 PM   #40
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I'm generally a BS guy for both MX and the street--all things being equal, but I bought a set of Q3+ at the track from the Dunlop man and couldn't be happier with them on my SV650 track bike. They handle great and really stick, I'd buy them again.
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