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Old 10-16-2017, 11:46 AM   #1
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Slicks for the track

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Iím thinking of transitioning to slicks for the track.

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What suspension adjustments will be needed to correct geometry?

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I'd start with Pirelli Red Stripes. If you find they aren't sticky enough, then move on to Pirelli race tires.

The advantage of Red Stripes (Their official name is Pirelli Diablo Superbike Pro Slicks) is that they last. Most actuall race tires are good for no more than a day.
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Going to agree with miles here. One thing I might add is if you want more feeling from the front, you can couple a sc1/sc2 slick (the race tire) wit a superbike pro in the rear.

If you want pirellis, you have to go through ct racing now, racers edge now provides Dunlopís
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I ride on Dunlop slicks because they last long.

As far as geometry adjustments go with the old 190 or 200 Dunlop slicks it would raise the rear a tad but if you haven't made any adjustments already you'll likely benefit from raising the rear a bit anyway. The new 180 slick is supposed to be really good and won't make much of a change to your geometry. Buy the soft front, to me it has decent feel with a lot of life. For the rear I run a medium Plus again great feel and it last me 3-4 track days.

Like others have said the Pirelli is a really good tire with really good front end feel but it's a bit more sensitive to pressures and they are easier to destroy. I like the sc1 front and sc2 rear.

I would suggest you give both brands a try and see what you prefer and what aligns with your budget.


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I keep forgetting how easy those little, underpowered bikes are on tires.
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I keep forgetting how easy those little, underpowered bikes are on tires.
Or I'm just not getting on the gas hard enough.

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What size Dunlop’s? 180/60, 190/55, 190/60? For stock bike
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N-TEC are my only experience. But man they are solid on recommended pressures on the Panigale.
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I would go with the 180/60. A lot of effort went into developing that tire for our wheel with. I haven't had a chance to get my hands on a 180 rear but I can't wait to try them. I am currently running the 200s on my 600 because they are bi-directional and I flip my tires often. Saying that everyone flips all the Dunlops slicks doesnt matter if they have the bi-directional arrow or not. I've never seen them have delaminating issues even on the fronts.

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What size Dunlopís? 180/60, 190/55, 190/60? For stock bike

The 180 rear is the call for tiddly bikes.




All joking aside, you really don't want the bigger tires.
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Perilli SC2's are pretty awesome

+1 for Dunlop N-Tec Slicks these are on my RSV4 and are exceptionally consistent lap to lap, just watch the tire pressure. I was running 33 front 18 rear at Thunder Hill.
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The 180 rear is the call for tiddly bikes.




All joking aside, you really don't want the bigger tires.
Im more worried about the height than the width
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The weight is a negative, especially with Dunlops, but it's the width that messes with the handling.
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The weight is a negative, especially with Dunlops, but it's the width that messes with the handling.
Yup. I've never put the 190 nor the 200 on a scale but the 200 is a lot heavier.

@Demo man just get the 180/60. Your ride height will vary between all the options. the 190/55 is not the same height as your 180/55 street tire because the sides get pinched so the tire becomes slightly taller in the center either way.

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Yup. I've never put the 190 nor the 200 on a scale but the 200 is a lot heavier.

@Demo man just get the 180/60. Your ride height will vary between all the options. the 190/55 is not the same height as your 180/55 street tire because the sides get pinched so the tire becomes slightly taller in the center either way.

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Don't bother with slicks until you're really fast. They're not going to offer you anything more than Bstone S21 or Dunlop Q3s can and can even be worse if you can't keep enough heat scrubbed into them.

21s and Q3s heat up way faster and will last a lot longer.
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My pace is fast enough At streets and Buttonwillow. Ive been on Q3’s for 2 years and like them a lot.
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My pace is fast enough At streets and Buttonwillow. Ive been on Q3ís for 2 years and like them a lot.
I have much love for Q3's but slicks will offer you a whole other world of possibilities. The feeling of being on rails is well worth the extra 80-100 dollars in price.
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My pace is fast enough At streets and Buttonwillow. Ive been on Q3ís for 2 years and like them a lot.
My bad, for some reason I had it in my mind you were doing your first or second track day. If you're consistent then yes, slicks are okay (in my opinion)
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Don't bother with slicks until you're really fast. They're not going to offer you anything more than Bstone S21 or Dunlop Q3s can and can even be worse if you can't keep enough heat scrubbed into them.

21s and Q3s heat up way faster and will last a lot longer.


This actually makes a good point that is often overlooked. If you're going to do a winter track day you probably would be better off on a sport tire than a slick, simply because keeping heat in the tire can be difficult. I did a track day in the mid 30s (Fahrenheit) at Buttonwillow, and almost all the people who crashed were on slicks, and all the crashes were entering the front straight (clockwise). This was the first hard left after half a track of right handlers or straights, and the left side of the tire cooled off too much.
A sport tire has a lower operating temp range and doesn't lose the heat as quickly, so the grip doesn't just vanish.
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