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Old 09-26-2018, 04:32 PM   #1
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CHP official lane sharing/splitting guidelines officially released.

Good news for us!

Now the public awareness media campaign can begin!



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Old 09-26-2018, 04:43 PM   #2
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Now the public awareness media campaign can begin!



I would say carry the guidelines on your phone because of the part about high beams being turned on this way if a cop pulls you over you can open up it and show it

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In the CA DMV motorcycle handbook, page 27. It is an acceptable practice

"Headlight
The best way to help others see
your motorcycle is to always keep
the headlight and, if equipped,
running lights on. A motorcycle
with its light on is twice as likely
to be noticed. Using your high
beam during the day and at
night increases the chances that
oncoming drivers will see you.
Use your high beam when it is
legal and safe to do so. When it
is foggy, use the low beam."
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In the CA DMV motorcycle handbook, page 27. It is an acceptable practice

"Headlight
The best way to help others see
your motorcycle is to always keep
the headlight and, if equipped,
running lights on. A motorcycle
with its light on is twice as likely
to be noticed. Using your high
beam during the day and at
night increases the chances that
oncoming drivers will see you.
Use your high beam when it is
legal and safe to do so. When it
is foggy, use the low beam."
That's when it is legal and safe to do so I've been pulled over by a cop while lane splitting behind him cos he though my high beams were on

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He must of been in a bad mood then. I've ridden behind a CHP motocop WITH my high beams on while splitting several times.
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Some cops just hate motorcycles all together, so no matter what you do your going to get pulled over.

I can't count how many times I've been stopped over the years, then after the fact they look for something wrong with my bike.

They get a badge, power and it makes their brain function improperly. Bullies, just bullies. Best thing to do is avoid them all together
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He must of been in a bad mood then. I've ridden behind a CHP motocop WITH my high beams on while splitting several times.
Wasn't chp was normal motorcycle cop

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Never had any issue splitting. 95% have already moved over before you get to them.
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Awareness is important but the a still just guidelines and a judgement call by the individual Leo weather or not to ticket.
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As a rider and driver, do not like it when bikes use their high beams unless in certain conditions.

Middle of day when it's cloudless is good; and sometimes, when the sun is setting and it's to the rider's back. Other than that, blinding people is no good.
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I've asked people on group rides to turn their high beams off during the day. I think the biggest issue is it is much more difficult to gauge the distance of the rider with a high beam on. I'm actually surprised they are suggesting this method as there are published articles addressing the use of high-beams during the day.

I used to always ride with high-beams during the day and I stopped maybe 5 years ago after reading an article about it. Personally, I think it has kept me safer and as an additional benefit I am able to "flash" people before I pass if they seem distracted.
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Yeah, I keep my hi off and use my flasher sometimes too.
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No mention of not revving your engine to alert drivers your there and to move over.

Personally that me off when I'm in a 4 wheeler and a motorcyclist does that. It's kinda like " Hey! Move the over buddy!" I don't appreciate it to say the least.
When I split lanes I will patiently wait to be noticed which doesn't take long at all.
Some HD riders are really bad at this and I hardly ever experience a sportbike rider being obnoxious.

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I've asked people on group rides to turn their high beams off during the day. I think the biggest issue is it is much more difficult to gauge the distance of the rider with a high beam on.....
I used to always ride with high-beams during the day and I stopped maybe 5 years ago after reading an article about it. ...

I tried to search for some research papers or even an article and couldn't find anything to confirm this.
I still find it hard to believe without a little bit of proof. Sorry, man, just the skeptical scientist in me.

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I tried to search for some research papers or even an article and couldn't find anything to confirm this.
I still find it hard to believe without a little bit of proof. Sorry, man, just the skeptical scientist in me.
I'm going to bed but 3 seconds of googling found the Vermont DMV recommending low-beams for best visibility: https://dmv.vermont.gov/blog/lights-on-for-safety

If I get bored I'll try and dig up more info. I know this has been a common debate regardless of vehicle.

I'd be happy to to throw my high beams on and drive or ride behind you/around you if you'd like to conduct a non-scientific test lol

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As someone easily blinded by high beem day or night please STOP IT ! If you have your brights on and are behind me and i slow down its because i cant see and dont want to die. Your effort to be seen is putting others life in danger.
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I'd be happy to to throw my high beams on and drive or ride behind you/around you if you'd like to conduct a non-scientific test lol
The link you included was recommending to use low beams over DRL lights and didn't say anything against using high beams.

I took your original comment to mean that there was some research that claimed that it would be more difficult to gauge the distance of a motorcycle that is approaching me (not following me) if their high beams are on compared to if they just used their low beams. A motorcycle's high beam might be a little annoying but I don't know if that affects my ability to gauge how far they are from me.

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The link you included was recommending to use low beams over DRL lights and didn't say anything against using high beams.

I took your original comment to mean that it would be more difficult to gauge the distance of a motorcycle that is approaching me (not following me) if their high beams are on compared to if they just used their low beams. A motorcycle's high beam might be a little annoying but I don't know if that affects my ability to gauge how far they are from me.
The article also didn't recommend high beams. Like I said, I'll see what else I can find.

Using high beams during the day isn't exclusive to just motorcycles. People in cars do it too (although not as often). The issue can be subjective to various headlight types and how they're adjusted.

I can only speak from experience at this point but I used to always ride with my high beams on and when I stopped I found no difference in how people notice me on the roadway and less people flashing their lights at me. I also found myself leaving the high beam on at night since it was always on. As a driver and rider commuting 200+ miles a day into and out of LA, I can better gauge vehicles at intersections or on the highway when they are using their low beams. And yes, it does bother me on group rides when I cant tell if someone is attempting to pass me or if they're a quarter mile back. YMMV.

I do see the logic behind high beams as I used to do it for years. However, even if the CHP recommends it, I'm sure we can agree there are plenty things they suggest or the law demands that are outdated or under-researched.



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I also can't stand modulating headlights the cruiser guys use. It makes it look like they're brake checking you if you are following, or if its the headlight, that they're flashing you.
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In the CA DMV motorcycle handbook, page 27. It is an acceptable practice

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is foggy, use the low beam."
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